Ep 69: Borders, War and Physical Removal Part 2. Towards an ideal system of borders and relations.

in part 2 the mindcrime liberty show lays out what an ideal system of borders, conflict and relations would look like.    We continue to defend Hans Hoppe's  view of realistic libertarianism from characterological and emotive attacks and try to sketch out a possible future or ideal system.  The outline would consist of thousands of Lichtenstein's of various internal rules and mores all respecting each others property.  A world of a thousand Lichtenstein's all respecting one another's properties may be considered utopian but a one world state seems utopian at best and dystopian in practice.  Property doesn't require something like universal love to implement and is a rather realistic and constrained starting point. Interestingly, if one de-bundles the state as it would be done in certain societies some unlikely defenders of borders may arise including notably trade unions.  In certain other societies a self defense culture may arise as well. 

 We stress, like Hoppe, the primacy of borders as an extension of property and without the existence of it no theft can occur. Without property there is no theft. Without borders and property there is no foreign aggression to speak of because there is no such thing as a foreign land.   Without borders there is no localism and instead its centralized monocultural universalism. Borders and property's role in a free peaceful productive cooperative society ought not to be discounted even if some of the existing borders may be considered illegitimate.